Wednesday, February 6, 2019

A Letter to the Victims of Bride Ministries: Trauma Bonding, Education, and Healing

(By Loren Grace. Originally posted on:

To the Victims of Bride Ministries:

Over the past couple of years, Carolyn and I have interacted with some of you, and have received emails from others of you, who have described your painful experiences with Duval, his “coaching” staff, his “support group” leaders, and some of his other clients. Some of you have already gone through a process of healing from the pain you experienced because of Duval and his associates at Bride Ministries, and a couple of you who have gone through this healing process have asked us to put your testimony up on our website.

On the other hand, many of you are still reeling from the pain that has been caused, and you are still working through the healing process, so you have asked us to not reveal your name and to not share the details of your experiences. We will not. That’s not our place.

But then… there are yet others of you, some whom we used to be acquainted with, who, unfortunately, have gone right back to the BM pile from which you came, in varying degrees.

It is to these last two groups of people that this letter is addressed. So, regardless of whether you are a past or current victim of Duval and BM, and regardless of whether you have completely separated yourself from the BM or whether you are still stuck in that muck, there are a few things that each of you need to understand.


A few days ago, I came across an article via one of the Facebook pages I follow. The article is titled “Research Finds That Narcissists Try To Remain Friends With Their Exes For Darker Reasons.”

For the purposes of general education on topics that can help victims of abusive situations and toxic relationships, I highly recommend it.

I am a fan of education. In the case of healing from a lifetime of abuse, properly educating oneself on a variety of topics brings understanding; and with understanding comes the ability to recognize abusive situations and abusive people; and with that recognition comes the ability to avoid and get out of abusive situations and relationships; and finally, healing is able to take place.

You see, healing isn’t always about “feeling better.” It’s about learning better. Doing better. And then, as a result, “feeling better” gradually happens.

That’s probably not the most scientific way of describing the healing process, but it’s one way to explain it, I guess.

The Unhealthy Cycle of Trauma Bonding and Hoovering

At any rate, one specific dynamic that the aforementioned article discusses is trauma bonds and how it relates to hoovering within toxic relationships.

Definition: Hoovering
Hoovering, named after the Hoover vacuum cleaner, is a word that describes the process whereby abusive individuals use whatever means necessary to continue to control and manipulate their victims. Specifically, the article describes hoovering as “a technique narcissists use to try to “suck” their victims back into the vicious cycle of abuse and regain control.”

Hoovering, as the article depicts, is most effective when there is a trauma bond that has taken place between the victim and the perpetrator.

Definition: Trauma Bond
The article describes a trauma bond as “the intense bonds we formed with our toxic partner in an attempt to survive our abusive experiences,” but the term can be used to describe an unhealthy bond that is formed within a variety of unhealthy relationships. For instance, the toxic relationship might be between partners (as the article describes), or it could be an unhealthy relationship between an abusive parent and a child. Or between a mind control programmer and his mind control victim. Or between a so-called “counselor/life-coach” and his client.

Trauma bonding…
… keeps us tied to abusive people through the very abuse that they heap upon us; and when we try to leave, hoovering sucks us back in.
… keeps us confused as to who is the victim and who is the perpetrator.
… turns our thinking around into incorrectly believing that we have done something wrong to deserve the abuse; therefore, we incorrectly believe that we have to do everything in our power to make it right again.
… keeps us from forming healthy boundaries, and keeps us in an unhealthy cycle of abuse, susceptible to hoovering, and generally causes us to accept behaviors from people that would otherwise be unacceptable.

Trauma bonding….
… leads to an increased dependency (co-dependency) on the abuser to make decisions for us; and at the same time, we begin to have an inability or a decreased capacity to make decisions for ourselves, or the inability to trust our own judgement outside of the opinion of our abuser.
… can manifest as a desperation to please our abuser, even to the point of saying or doing things that are untrue or wrong, but are things we know will please our abuser.
… often has us internalizing the emotions of our abuser. (For example, sensing or knowing that our abuser is not pleased, will cause us to wonder what we did wrong.)
… causes feelings of protection and loyalty towards our abuser, and a strong desire to defend them against any threat, imagined or real.

So, to summarize: trauma bonds make it easy for abusers to continue to have access to you (to “hoover” you), as they manipulate and control your emotions and thinking that has become twisted through the abuses that you have had to survive. Because of the trauma bond that is in place, you are more susceptible to being sucked back into a toxic relationship, either with the toxic person or group of people that you left, or with another person or group of people who are just as toxic!

Unless you educate yourself!

The Importance of Education

I had never heard the exact term “hoovering” before this week, but because of my experiences with abusive people of all walks of life that I’ve come across throughout my lifetime, I’m certainly familiar with the process it describes.

I also know precisely what trauma bonding is. I’ve experienced it through the unhealthy relationship I had with my mother; through the unhealthy relationships I had with my programmers; through the unhealthy relationships I had with other handlers in my life; and through the unhealthy client/coach relationship I had with Dan Duval, the man who, as with you, was supposed to be my “christian life coach.”

But the process of healing from traumatic experiences and from toxic relationships must involve education.

And not just any old education! After all, as we all probably know from our abusive pasts, we can learn the wrong things, and that wrong learning leads to wrong thinking, and wrong thinking leads to being stuck in situations that are very wrong and with people who are wrong.

But as I began to educate myself on the truth of things, I learned to identify toxic behaviors in other people, as well as toxic cycles of abuse that I was stuck in. And this education caused me to be less susceptible to being sucked back into unhealthy relationships, either with past toxic people or with any toxic person I may come across in the future.

Proper education — not only on the truth that is found in the properly exegeted Word of God, but also on the more basic truths about mental health issues, such as narcissism, cycles of abuse, trauma bonding, etc — this education is what enabled me to get out of the BM pile and to stay out of the BM pile, and it is what will be most useful to you, too.

But unfortunately, some of you have not yet learned that education on truth is key to your survival and to your healing. And so, you either have been sucked back into Duval’s toxic BM environment (it is unhealthy and abusive to the spirit, to the mind, and to the emotions), or you are in danger of being sucked back in to either Duval’s BM  pile or into another person’s BM pile sometime in the near future… because you have not educated yourself.

For example, if those of you who got sucked back into the BM pile would have educated yourselves properly, you would have realized the importance of cutting contact with toxic people and with toxic environments, and then you wouldn’t have gotten sucked back in.

At any rate, I hope this letter encourages you to begin properly educating yourself.

The above link will take you to a very short section of the book I wrote with Carolyn Hamlett, where we briefly described trauma bonds in the “Spirit Man” section. We wrote this because the ungodly Spirit Man theology and how it is being used in the “counseling” process, is one of the things that is creating this “trauma bond” between client and coach. It’s not the only thing that is causing trauma or exacerbating existing trauma, no, but it is certainly one of the doctrines of demons that is being implemented in Duval’s “counseling” process that is a huge problem. (Severe ineptitude and an appalling lack of qualified BM coaches/counselors is another thing that is causing or worsening trauma, but I’ll get to that in a moment…)

So why am I reminding you of this and encouraging you to properly educate yourself not only with  the truth of the Word of God, but also on what Carolyn and I have written and with other things, such as the article mentioned at the very beginning of this letter?

Because with the proper education comes proper understanding; and with proper understanding comes positive change; and over time, positive change brings healing.

Stop Excusing and Start Educating

All of this leads to my last point.

(If you’re still here, thank you for reading thus far.)

Over the past few years that Carolyn and I have interacted with you, some of you have made excuses for the abusive behavior you endured in BM.

Many of you have expressed to us (in so many words) this basic sentiment:
“Duval and the support leaders and the other clients treated me badly, but I was pretty messed up before I even got there, so it wasn’t all their fault.”

And, ironically enough, while I was thinking about writing this article and how to word everything, just today I read and responded to someone’s email who, sadly but not surprisingly (trauma bonds are difficult to work through, and don’t I know!), has on a couple of occasions now, made excuses in a similar manner for the abuses they have suffered under Duval and associates.

Without sharing anything that this person has shared with us in confidence, please allow me to share part of my response to this person.

I wrote (with a few clarifications made and typos corrected… 😀 ):
"If you had a brain tumor and went to the hospital to have surgery, how would you expect to be treated?
Would you expect the nurses and the other support staff to look at you with disdain? Would you expect them to roll their eyes when you were crying because of the horrible headaches you were having? Would you expect them to laugh behind your back and gossip about you because you shared with them your fears of surgery, or any other issues you were having? Would you expect them to complain about having to change your bed sheets or complain that they had to help you to the bathroom or help give you a bath?
Would you expect the support staff and the surgeon to allow the other patients to treat you with contempt and disdain? If the other patients started gossiping about you behind your back and spreading lies to the nurse staff and to the surgeons, would you expect the doctors and support staff to listen to and believe the other patients’ lies about you, and to then treat you according to those lies that they believe?
Would you expect the surgeon and support staff to play favorites with the patients? To ignore your concerns and needs, but provide everything that their favorite patients needed or requested?
Would you expect the surgeon to dismiss your concerns and fears? Would you expect him to force you to make decisions that you weren’t prepared to make? Would you expect him to treat you with disrespect and disdain?  Would you expect your surgeon to lie about you and to gossip about you behind your back?
Would you expect the surgeon to be actually QUALIFIED to do surgery on you? Would it be acceptable to you if your brain surgeon had absolutely no qualifications whatsoever to open your head up and poke around your brain? Would you make excuses for his ineptitude and say to yourself, “Well, he says he’s qualified, and he does have a lot of other patients waiting for him to do surgery on THEM, so I guess it’s okay…”
Or would you demand to see proof of his qualifications? Would you expect to see evidence of an accredited degree that gave PROOF to the qualifications the surgeon claimed to have? If he didn’t have qualifications, would you stay there? Or, if you decided to leave, would you then blame yourself for leaving?
If you did leave and then warned other people of your horrible experiences so that they wouldn’t have to experience the same pain and danger that you did, and if you were attacked and maligned and slandered by the surgeon and his staff, would you find this abuse acceptable? Would you make excuses for it and say something like, “Well, I was messed up before I went there, so….”
But assuming you were okay with the lack of qualifications your surgeon had, would you expect to go into surgery without any anesthesia? Would you expect that the surgeon would stop halfway through surgery, leave you on the operating table, open to infection, and then when he finally decides to comes back, would you be okay with him ignoring your complaints and your cries of pain and anger?
What if your surgeon was verbally, emotionally, and spiritually abuse to you? Would it be okay for a professional to be this way?
Would you expect to be forced to sign a contract that you aren’t allowed to complain about the services you receive, even if he botched your surgery and it led to your harm?
And if you were treated this way, how would you react?
Would you accept it and say to yourself, “Well, it’s not their fault, because I had issues before I came here”?
Or would you say, “This is bullshit! They don’t have the right to treat me like this! THEY are the ones with the problem, not me!”
You see, it is NOT acceptable how you were treated in BM, and excusing or downplaying their behavior is not going to help you heal. Instead, you are in danger of falling back into toxic behaviors yourself…. by allowing yourself to accept the toxic behaviors of other people, either by people in Bride Ministries, or by other people.
You went there for help. OF COURSE you had problems! Why else would you have gone there if you didn’t have problems? The fact that you were treated badly is NOT a reflection of you, but of THEM.
Furthermore, DD and his staff (INCLUDING PRESTON BAILEY) are no more qualified to counsel people than I would be qualified to do brain surgery. You see, if I were to convince a dozen people — a hundred people… or even more!! — to let me cut open their skull and poke around in their brain, that does not qualify me as a brain surgeon!!
In the same way, just because DD and others have conned people into THINKING they are qualified to “counsel” them, does NOT make them actually qualified. They are not qualified, and unless something has changed with DD’s staff of so-called “counselors” since I last looked [please see the postscript], NONE of them have any real qualifications whatsoever in regards to mental health. In some cases, they have degrees from “colleges” that are not accredited! This means the “college” they went to wasn’t qualified! In the U.S., we call these “diploma mills.”
I’m all for alternative education. I home schooled my three children. I think alternative education is a great thing, when used properly and when taken seriously. However, if I need to have brain surgery, I don’t want to employ a brain surgeon who got their degree from a diploma mill!
By the same token, if I need help from a mental health counselor, I don’t want someone who got their so-called “qualifications” from a diploma mill!
And even if I weren’t concerned about real degrees from real colleges and was going to be happy with getting counsel from a “pastoral counselor” — such as from Preston Bailey, who, from my research, even though he has a fake degree in “counseling” from a diploma mill, does appear to have an actual, real degree in theology, potentially qualifying him as being a pastoral counselor — then I certainly don’t want a pastoral counselor who is teaching false doctrines, the way Preston Bailey, Dan Duval, and associates are!
You were conned by a narcissistic con artist and his group of con-artist friends who claim to be Christians, but who are actually teaching doctrines of demons, and making tons of money off of gullible people who mistakenly think they are qualified as “counselors” or as “life coaches.”
I was conned by them, too. So were a lot of other people.
That doesn’t make YOU the bad person. It doesn’t make ME the bad person.
It makes DANIEL and HIS STAFF the bad people!
So… all that to say this: learn to recognize toxicity (EDUCATE yourself on those things); learn that it’s okay to get away from it; and learn that it’s NOT your fault for the toxic, abusive, ungodly behaviors of other people.
Don’t take the blame for other people’s sins. That’s not healthy and it’s certainly not Godly or Biblical."

To all of you who have been victims of Duval and BM, and even to those of you who are still involved in Duval’s BM and who are continuing to gossip and spread lies and slander about me: I pray you come to love, know, and walk in the truth. I pray that you begin to properly educate yourself; and with that education, I pray you begin to have understanding; and with understanding, change; and with that change, healing.

Ultimately, I wish you the healing and peace that comes from a relationship with the Father, in walking in submission to His will, and in being obedient to His Word.


P. S. To the coaches at Bride Ministries:

Since I last did my research over two years ago, none of you were licensed to practice in the mental health field in any state. However, I don’t keep up with the latest happenings over there in BM, so you might have someone new on your team who is licensed. Also, perhaps my research is faulty, and I missed something. Therefore, if you are qualified to practice in the mental health field, then please provide verifiable evidence. This doesn’t mean making a blanket statement such as, “I studied at Harvard.” Not only does that not mean diddly-squat, but that is not the equivalent of a license to practice. Neither is your attendance and “degree” at a unaccredited learning institution (such as “Biblical Life Institute” or “Victory Bible Institute”) evidence of your qualifications. But please provide verifiable proof of your license to practice in the mental health field in any capacity in any of the 50 United States, and I will amend this article to reflect the correction.

Tuesday, September 4, 2018

Sputnik: Looking Back, 61 Years Later...

Exactly 61 years ago next month, I was standing out on my driveway with my mother to watch Sputnik, the first man made satellite, cross the sky. That was the night I learned in great detail about Lucifer and his extensive plan called “The Plan”, to manipulate the masses into embracing his religion sold as “truth” and brotherhood and to put his “Christ” (his chosen one) in global power. (Lucifer is the same entity as Satan)

People who are familiar with my testimony know that I gave my life to Jesus Christ over 30 years ago and  since that time, I have worked hard to expose Satan’s plan so people will not become a victim to it. Unfortunately many have embraced the poison and are practicing it in spite of my warnings. Most of those are professing Christians who have too easily bought into the planned deceptions of Satan and are now practicing the occult, yet still consider themselves to be “Christian”. However, they are no different than the Luciferians I was raised by. Many Luciferians call themselves “Christian”, considering themselves to be more enlightened than the Christians whose Christianity is based on the solid fundamental interpretation of the Bible in context. This is the same belief and attitude the fallen christians have today. Satan’s plan has been very successful. 😔

It is my hope that some how, some way, God will wake those people up from the deception before it is too late. 

I wish I could have been able to make a video to post tonight about all I remembered about that night 61 years ago, but sadly I have not been able to do it. Maybe I can do that soon. 

I think if people could hear me tell the story, that they might somehow believe me and see that Satan is real and his plan is real…real enough for them to see the need to give their lives to God through the plan He has provided to save us. (Acts 4:12  (KJV) “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” - Which is speaking of Jesus Christ who is God’s plan. Salvation is just the beginning. You must do your best to live according to God’s righteous standards. If you say you are a Christian, but are practicing the occult and/or are living according to Satan’s standards, you have opened yourself to the demonic, to be influenced and guided and deceived by the demonic. You are not serving God, you are serving Satan. This is serious!!!!  

Here are some links to posts of what I have written in the past about the night of October 4th 1957:

The Plan: Exterminate “Religious Extremists” (December 7, 2014)

TIME CAPSULE: My Mother, Project Blue Beam & "The Reappearance of "The Christ", MASS MURDER 4 GLOBAL PEACE (excerpts from 1989)

Obama Lights, NWO, and Maitreya SAME PLAN (December 14, 2009)


Hopefully I can do a video soon to tell in more detail of that night 61 years ago. 

Monday, September 3, 2018

Deliverance and Spiritual Warfare 101, PART 9: Spiritual Warfare According to Scripture

In part 9 of “Deliverance and Spiritual Warfare 101,” we continue our talk about getting “back to the basics” of Scripture to find deliverance and healing, discussing what spiritual warfare looks like according to Scripture.


The notes in this post were written by Loren Grace, originally posted on our shared web site at this link:

In accordance with Satan’s plan, people are being taken away from the truth of the Word of God and are purposefully being conditioned towards a carnal (fleshly) mentality; yet these people believe it to be a spiritual mindset. One way the demonic are accomplishing this is to get the Christian focused and occupied with a false spiritual warfare. A false spiritual warfare not only keeps the individual busy doing things that are not Scriptural, but it also causes them to become literally occupied (controlled, possessed) by the demonic.

And as a result of this false spiritual warfare, people are becoming warlike, like the fallen who they are following after, and they become the perfect vessel through which the demonic can work Satan’s plan throughout the earth.

Many times, people who are occupied with false spiritual warfare believe they are “partnering with angels,” but this is not Scriptural, and the beings they consider to be a “angels” (or even “Jesus”) are demonic beings that have disguised themselves as angels of light.

False spiritual warfare feeds a person’s ego, but the true (Biblical) spiritual warfare begins at salvation, and it continues as you humble yourself before God and follow His standards.

Our spiritual weapons are not carnal weapons that different types of occultists often use, such as:

water (including “spiritual water guns or water balloons”)
scissors, swords, knives, needles, or guns
hand grenades or other types of “spiritual explosives”

But according to the Word of God, as Christians our spiritual weapons include:

Submission to the Father
Opposing what is of Satan
Not allowing Satan to have opportunity to gain power or control over you
The gospel of peace
The Word of God
Prayer and petition to God
Persevering in prayer for one another

Furthermore, our spiritual fight is not against people, but against Satan and the demonic.

If you are a Christian, why would you follow the ways of occultists? Why would you fight in the way that the world fights? If you wage warfare in the way Satan and the demonic wages warfare, then you are not following the standards of God.

Our spiritual weapons are not carnal. They are not fleshly. The spiritual weapons that come from the Spirit of God to fight the enemy (the demonic) don’t need upgrades.

Go back to the simplicity of the Word of God and learn how to wage warfare against Satan according to Scripture!

Scriptures for Study

James 4:7-10 (BSB)

Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

Grieve, mourn, and weep. Turn your laughter to mourning, and your joy to gloom.

Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will exalt you.

1 Peter 5:9 (BSB)

Resist him [the adversary], standing firm in your faith and in the knowledge that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kinds of suffering.

. . . and do not give the devil a foothold.

Therefore take up the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you will be able to stand your ground, and having done everything, to stand.

For though we live in the flesh, we do not wage war according to the flesh.

The weapons of our warfare are not the weapons of the world. Instead, they have divine power to demolish strongholds.

(for further word study:

Deliverance and Spiritual Warfare 101 Series

Thursday, August 30, 2018

Deliverance and Spiritual Warfare 101: Part 8

In part 8 of “Deliverance and Spiritual Warfare 101,” we continue our talk about getting “back to the basics” of Scripture to find deliverance and healing, discussing the next points of walking by faith, walking in obedience to God’s Word, living humbly, and the importance of continuing to focus on the Solution.


The notes in this post were written by Loren Grace, originally posted on our shared web site at this link:

Walking by Faith and in Obedience to His Word

• Walking by faith involves trusting that God is in the process of setting you free no matter how you feel.

• Walking by faith means that you continue doing what is right regardless of what’s going on around you.

• Walking by faith requires being obedient to His Word, and obedience requires submission to the authority of God. So if you are having problems submitting to God, ask God to help you!

• When you mess up and fall down, you confess, repent, submit to God once again, ask God to help you, and then start over, walking by faith and in obedience to His Word.

• And as you continue through this process of walking according to His standards, over time, you will become more discerning and more easily guided by His Holy Spirit.

Living Humbly

• If you ever get to the point where you think you’ve “got it,” then you  are going to fall right back into the same traps.

• Living humbly means admitting that you need God’s help.

• For an example of living humbly, look at the example of Jesus!

Focus on your relationship with your Heavenly Father.

• When you begin to focus on the Solution (your Heavenly Father) rather than the problem, the Spirit of God begins to apply His solution to your problem.

• He changes your heart and you begin to desire what He desires.

• As you begin to focus on walking in the standards of God — which include confession, repentance, submission, walking by faith, and in obedience to His Word  — you will begin to want what God wants. And the Spirit of God will begin to change you, bringing you freedom and deliverance as you continue to daily walk according to His standards.

Walking in deliverance and freedom isn’t always easy. But it is simple.

Satan complicates.

God simplifies.

Deliverance and Spiritual Warfare 101 Series

Tuesday, August 28, 2018

Trusting Ex-Programmers

Something’s been bothering me, and I just want to write a quick note of warning to other survivors, particularly those who, like myself, have survived mind-control programming.

I’ve recently been informed that a particular self-proclaimed mind-control programmer who supposedly repented and went underground, has now resurfaced and is claiming to want to help other survivors now.

And, no, I’m not going to “name names.” At this point, it would be counterproductive. But coming across this information (that this programmer/ex-programmer has resurfaced and is now actively trying to reach survivors) has left me feeling very, very uneasy.

And I don’t trust it.

There are many reasons why I don’t trust this “resurfacing,” and many reasons why I don’t trust this “ex-programmer,” and maybe when my mind isn’t feeling so fluttery and fly-away, I’ll be able to write more about it.

(but prolly not, because after I finish writing this, I just want to ignore the whole situation and pretend it doesn’t exist)

But suffice to say, there are too many questions and not enough plausible answers.

Maybe this person really is an EX-programmer.

Maybe not.

Maybe this person really is trying to help people now.

But maybe not.

Here’s the bottom line: I know what it’s like to be desperate for help, to be desperate for solutions, to be desperate for answers. What it’s like to be desperately afraid that there is no one to trust, but being just as desperate to find that someone to trust.

But here’s the flip side of that: because of the very nature of abuse, survivors have the tendency to seek out abusive situations in spite of themselves, and to seek out people who are either very much like their past abusers or who are those abusers they are trying to get away from.

And when mind-control programming is added into the equation, this tendency is multiplied many times over.

It’s the trap I fell for, and I just want to warn you to not fall into this trap, too.

Here are some questions to ponder:

1. Do you know that programmed people have been programmed to seek out certain people and certain situations that are counter-productive to their emotional, mental, and spiritual healing?

2. And do you realize that this is serving to keep those survivors corralled into a particular area where they can continue to be used and controlled and manipulated not only by certain people who the demonic are using, but, more importantly, by the demonic themselves?

3. And do you understand that even though many of those survivors are being fed emotions and thoughts that make them “feel good” at the moment, and that may “sound good” on the surface, it is only to keep them happy and staying in one place — in that very place that is keeping them under the control of the demonic?

It’s an awful, desperate situation: in trying to get away from people who are hurting them, survivors are often attracted to and drawn towards the very people who are hurtful! And for those who are programmed, the dangers are even more insidious.

So, as a survivor, until a certain amount of healing is accomplished in your heart and mind, this abusive cycle will continue.

So be careful who you trust.

Just because someone claims to be an EX-programmer, doesn’t mean that they are.


Detailed information about mind-control programming and how it works may or may not be helpful to some people. However, I’ve watched many people get caught up in researching and seeking and probing into the Satanic underground, looking for answers, looking for the truth

(why do you think you can find the truth where lies are crafted?)

and then get sucked into that proverbial rabbit-hole, unable to pull themselves back to what really matters in life.

(hint: what really matters is a relationship with the Heavenly Father)

They seek after the lies to find the truth.

(you will never come to know the truth by studying the lie, and until you learn to recognize the truth, you will never recognize the lie)

Eventually, the rabbit hole becomes their reality, as they are drawn after deeper and greater sensationalism. Deeper and greater mysteries. Deeper and greater revelations.

And in spite of a couple of brief references in the book Carolyn and I wrote, out of all the information out there about mind-control programming, I have been able to read very, very little of it. For the most part, I just find it triggering and counter-productive to the healing process. Yes, there have been a couple of things I managed to skim over that have served as “confirmation” for me. In other words, through reading I realized, “Gee, I didn’t make that up! That actually did happen to me.”

But for the most part, such information is very triggering, creating a chaotic environment on the inside of me (my system), and weighing me down with feelings of despair and desperation and confusion.


Because reading and hearing about the problems and how big they are and how complicated it all is — how complicated and detailed and insurmountable all the programming is — is distressing.

And guess what? It’s also NOT THE TRUTH.

Yes, the problem is big.

God is bigger.

Yes, programming is complicated.

God isn’t confused by it.

Yes, programming is tricky.

God isn’t tricked by it.

Yes, the problems that the programming creates are insurmountable for me.

God isn’t overwhelmed and defeated by it.

So in spite of all the information out there that details mind-control programming, how it works, and how to supposedly “deprogram” people

(would you really trust info from other people about deprogramming? or trust anyone to deprogram you? especially a self-proclaimed programmer? so they claim to be an EX-programmer . . . how do you know that to be true?)

the most helpful thing for survivors is pointing them to The Solution, which is the Heavenly Father and the basics of Scripture. This is the answer that brings true healing and deliverance, even from mind-control programming!

Any “help” from any so-called “ex-programmers”

(or “christian counselors,” or “life-coaches,” or anyone else)

that doesn’t have this foundation, is suspect, in my opinion.

And yes, I am using my past experiences with programmers in forming this opinion. Yes, I am allowing my past experiences with liars who call themselves “deliverance counselors and life-coaches” to color my perception. Yes, I am taking into consideration my past experiences with liars who claim to be “deprogramming” people, but are actually PROGRAMMING them.

Wouldn’t you do the same?

It would be foolish to not.

So — should you trust someone who claims to be an ex-programmer?

I wouldn’t.

But you should do what you think is best for you.

Just be careful.

That’s all I want to tell you.

be careful

Loren ❤

Deliverance and Spiritual Warfare 101, Part 7: Ask

In part 7 of “Deliverance and Spiritual Warfare 101,” we continue our talk about getting “back to the basics” of Scripture to find deliverance and healing, discussing the next point of “making your requests known to God.”


The notes in this post were written by Loren Grace, originally posted on our shared web site at this link:

Asking of God is simple, even if you have a dissociative disorder. It is not complicated like the spell-casting of “formula prayers” or “scientific prayers.”


  • make your requests known to the Heavenly Father;
  • submit to Him and ask for His will to be done over and above your will;
  • then continue to walk according to His standards, resting in the faith that His will is being accomplished in your life.

Satan complicates.

God simplifies.

Scriptures for Consideration

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their reward. But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. 
So then, this is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,hallowed be Your name,Your kingdom come,Your will be done,on earth as it is in heaven.Give us this day our daily bread.And forgive us our debts,as we also have forgiven our debtors;And lead us not into temptation,but deliver us from the evil one.’
For if you forgive men their trespasses, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive yours.

We walk by faith, not by sight.

Deliverance and Spiritual Warfare 101 Series